# [[A Real Zettelkasten Workflow in Obsidian]] <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HzmFooRRtAw" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> Related:: "[[Bob Doto]], [[Tristram Oaten|Tris Oaten]], [[A System for Writing]], [[Zettelkasten]], [[Folgezettel]], [[Obsidian Breadcrumbs plugin]]" ## Pre-production ### Thumbnail ![[A Real Zettelkasten Workflow in Obsidian.png]] ### Title 1. Obsidian zettelkasten workflow (63) 2. building a zettelkasten (64) 3. obsidian zettelkasten worklfow (47) 4. actually using a zettelkasten (47) 5. zettelkasten explained (47) 6. zettelkasten method digital (47) 7. zettelkasten workflow in obsidian (70) ## Topics - Introductions - Bob - Author of five books over a variety of subjects: ZK, acupressure, stretching, spirituality, poetry - teaches courses - met him in NY, and then again at [[PKM Summit 2025]] in [[Utrecht]]. - Tris - YouTube: No Boilerplate - producer, web developer, musician, podcaster (3 now?) - "I've figured out Zettelkasten" - Today: practical Zettelkasten - tools and plugins - workflow to actually make stuff with it - What is Zettelkasten? - Bob: "network of single, connected notes", sometimes called a [[Rhizome]]. Through this connection of ideas we find unexpected insight. If you're a creator, it becomes a fertile ground for creation. Strictly for writing. - What's the goal of it? - Bob and Tris both think it's for producing content. (writing) - The process - Consuming content and creating fleeting notes - Writing permanent/main notes - Connecting ideas - Making stuff with it - Connecting ideas - Using traditional ZK methods - [[Folgezettel]] - Bob thinks this is mandatory for paper, but for digital it's a matter of preference. He thinks most ZK people use Structure Notes and not Folgezettel. But he uses structured notes in a limited way, in part because he uses Folgezettel a lot. - Bob says a folgezettel is more like an address than a hierarchy - [[Hub Notes]] - [[Structure Notes]] - [[Keyword Indexes]] - Ways to connect and resurface notes? - [[Obsidian Incremental Writing plugin]] - [[Dice roller plugin]] - [[Lightning rods]] page that tries to identify clusters of thought - [[Foreign Keys Familiar Loves - Mapping relationships in Obsidian]] - [[Dataview]]/[[Obsidian Bases plugin]] - [[Obsidian Breadcrumbs plugin|Breadcrumbs]] - [[Obsidian ExcaliBrain|ExcaliBrain]] - [[Obsidian Excalidraw]] - [[Word cloud]], [[Artificial Intelligence|AI]]? - Tris uses the [[Obsidian Note ID plugin]] ([repo](https://github.com/dominikmayer/obsidian-note-id)) to impose Folgezettel - Pruning and maintenance: how much do you do? How much time does this all take? - Making stuff with your ZK - How do you process what you create back into your ZK? - Things I want to implement from ZK - [[Folgezettel]] using [[Obsidian Note ID plugin]] - Making notes more atomic - Being more intentional about structure notes as a more top-down outline; most of my notes are bottom-up - Be better about processing what I create back into my ZK - What's *one thing* that you would recommend people do if they wanted to get started with creating a ZK? ## Timestamps 00:00:00 Introductions to Bob Doto and Tris Oaten 00:07:07 What is a Zettelkasten? 00:16:44 Overview of the Zettelkasten workflow 00:18:37 Connecting ideas in a Zettelkasten 00:21:51 Demo - What Bob's structure notes look like 00:25:04 Folgezettel: Is it useful? 00:32:57 Demo - What Nicole's structure notes look like 00:37:20 Demo - Bob's main notes 00:40:56 Q: What links do you add to a main note? 00:46:13 Demo - How Tris uses Breadcrumbs plugin as Folgezettel 00:58:23 Q: Do you create a note for a connection or link directly? 01:06:32 What's one thing someone can do to get started with Zettelkasten? ## References ## Checklist ### Way before the show - [ ] Create a thumbnail. - [ ] Schedule the broadcast on Streamyard, and select YouTube, LinkedIn, and Twitch as the destinations. - [ ] Get the Streamyard invite link and put it in the "location" of the calendar invite to the guest. - [ ] Get the YouTube link to the show. - [ ] Schedule announcement on Mastodon. - [ ] Schedule a Mastodon post for when the show is live to say "We're live now!". ### Just before the show - [ ] How do you pronounce your name? - [ ] What are your pronouns? - [ ] We will be using the talking points, but we don't have to be strict about it. - [ ] Does anyone want to share their screen? We can do that now, and I can show you how that works. - [ ] We'll be streaming to YouTube live. - [ ] You'll be able to see comments, but if you have links, I have to paste it into the private chat. - [ ] You can also use the private chat if you need to say something, but you can also just say it out loud. - [ ] Afterwards, we'll say goodbye to the stream, but please stay on past that. - [ ] Just in case I disconnect... stall for a minute and I'll be right back. ### After the show - [ ] Order captions from Rev. - [ ] Add timestamps to the video (at least four). - [ ] Add any links shared to the description of the video. - [ ] Add the video to any relevant playlists. - [ ] Add to [video-database](obsidian://open?vault=obsidian-playbook&file=video-database%2FVideo%20database) or vault as necessary. - [ ] Create a blog post on [site](https://nicolevanderhoeven.com). - [ ] Promote on Discord (NVDH).